Astrological Notes (with centaurs and transneptunians)

by Juan Antonio Revilla

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:53:06 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] "The Passion of the Christ"

I haven't seen the film, but have been interested in it particularly because of the reference to Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824).

Gibson's film is strongly based on Emmerich's visionary book "Dolorous Passion", rather than on the Bible, so it probably has a quality or a "signature" different from the biblical fundamentalism one would expect from traditional organized religion, especially the Protestant Church which relies exclusively on what is written in the Bible.

A. C. Emmerich was a remarkable stigmatic and ecstatic Augustinian nun. There is an entry on her in the Catholic Encyclopedia:

My references to her come from anthroposophical circles, where her writings are generally considered to be inspired from the Akasha Chronicle. Some anthroposophists think she served as a bridge for the spiritual memory of the group spirit or Archangel of the Catholic Church.

She was mentioned in this light by Rudolf Steiner, and is mentioned by Mel Gibson in several interviews. Gibson describes how he came accross the writings of Emmerich, and how a stranger came to him and gave him a piece of her habit. Her book "Dolorous Passion" --which he acknowledges there is a lot of in his film-- can be read here:

Anne Catherine Emmerich, according to the Catholic Encyclopedia, was born 8 September, 1774, at Flamsche, near Coesfeld, in the Diocese of Munster, Westphalia, Germany, and died at Dulmen, 9 February, 1824.



Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:29:17 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] "The Passion of the Christ"

The time of her death appears here:

9 February 1824, 8:30 p.m.

the coordinates of Dulmen are 51n51/07e16. I use the sidereal zodiac:

Sun = 27,48 Capricorn
Pylenor = 28,39 Cancer

Emmerich's natal Sun is around 24,14 Leo, and she has Varuna in 20,18 Leo. The significance of Varuna is enhanced because it is in conjunction with the Node in 21,29 Leo. The day of the premiere (Feb. 25) Jupiter is in 20,08 Leo. This is a rather "remote" contact personally speaking, but the involvement of Varuna in the case of Mel Gibson is more direct:

Mel Gibson's Sun = 18,22 Sagittarius
 Varuna     18,22 Gem  10/ 9/2002
 Varuna     18,22 Gem  18/11/2002
 Varuna     18,22 Gem  13/ 7/2003
 Varuna     18,22 Gem  24/ 1/2004
 Varuna     18,22 Gem  24/ 5/2004

So this Varuna opposition has involved the whole process of the film for him. If we take the day of the premiere as the chart of the movie:

movie Sun = 11,40 Aquarius (approx.)
movie Asbolus = 11,05 Aquarius

This seems to be integrating (conjunction) a theme present in Mel Gibson's birth chart (opposition):

Mel Gibson's Sun = 18,22 Sagittarius
Mel Gibson's Asbolus = 20,10 Gemini

I wrote a small note on this film when I updated the ephemerides of Asbolus:

Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 05:36:50 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Riyal update -- Asbolus
<< ...The "crucifixion" of William Wallace, as shown by Mel Gibson's movie, is the vision of Mel Gibson's own Sun/Asbolus opposition.
Mel Gibson's "vision" or obsession with the subject is attested by his new film to be released soon, named "Passion", which describes the "passion" of Jesus Christ.
<<This film is creating controversy even before release. Mel Gibson was very distressed when he was forced by Hollywood producers to take out one passage, where Caiphas says something like "the sin of this innocent blood be upon our heads and our childrens, children's heads". The film is being attacked as being anti-Jewish or anti-semitic.>>

About the meaning of Asbolus in Mel Gibson's chart, I wrote in "Asbolus, the Seer" (1999):

<<Asbolus is the key to his character, dynamically speaking. It fits very well, for example, the description of the way William Wallace died, well recorded by historians and masterfully depicted in the film. Here we see the symbolism of Asbolus, the centaur with highest eccentricity, clashing at right angles with the orbits of the "normal" planets. According to the Britannica, Wallace <<was hanged, disemboweled, beheaded, and quartered>>. In other words, he was "crucified", like the centaur Asbolus was.

<<I think Centaurs all refer to crossing through life "on the rim", either trespassing moral barriers or being outsiders, and having to pay the price for this, which is undergoing "your passion", in the way of Christ. In Mel Gibson's case, you can take "The Man Without a Face": the disfiguration, the fear that he awakened in others for his ugliness, the story of death and accusations of sexual abuse behind him, his being ostracized, is Asbolus, whereas Chariklo I associate with his becoming the teacher and the father figure of the boy, but from the perspective of the complete outsider and outcast. It is precisely his condition of outcast what allows him to help the young boy. You can see the dynamics of Asbolus opposing or interfering the conjunction.>>

With "The Passion", we could conclude that Mel Gibson finally has united, at least through a work of art, what at his birth is antagonistic and conflicting, "interfering". He is striving to unite and integrate Asbolus and his Sun, his conservative-Catholic, anti-semitic father and his obsession with Wallace-type heroic figures that he repeated in "The Patriot", also depicting a deep father-son relationship, as in "Braveheart". We see here the struggles of the Sun, of the archetypal solar hero being constantly challenged by the very dense and foggy Asbolus atmosphere: the betrayal, the "chalice of blood", the martyrdom, the "Passion", which we will be able to see in this film in its ultimate, most perfect and powerful cosmic consummation, at least to his own religious soul.



Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 18:40:15 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] the horoscope of the Crucifixion, 1

Although there is enormous controversy abut the year of Christ's birth (let alone the date), there is much less about the time of the Crucifixion.

NOTE: my position on the controversy about the year Christ was born is explained and documented in: "ON THE YEAR OF HEROD'S DEATH"

Scholars have for years maintained that the 2 most probable (many say the only possible) dates of the Crucifixion are either April 7, AD 30, or April 3, AD 33. Rudolf Steiner, for example, based on his occult research, asserted that the second date was the correct one. I would like to explore the astrological possibilities of the 2 dates, based on a comparison with the relevant dates related to the recent film by Mel Gibson "The Passion": the date of birth of Anne Catherine Emmerich (8 Sep 1774), her date and time of death (in Riyal), Mel Gibson's own birth chart (in Riyal), the film's first release date (25 Feb 2004 -- see my 2 posts dated 20 Feb 2004), and the date of birth of actor James Caviezel (26 September 1968 according to the IMDB).

Do any of you have Caviezel's time of birth (and source)?

The comparisons will be made using the Fagan/Bradley sidereal zodiac, although any sidereal zodiac will produce the same results. I will leave the historical explanation and documentation for later. For the methodology, please refer to:

The easiest starting point would be to compare the positions of the 2 Crucifixion Suns. The time used is the ninth hour after sunrise, around 3 p.m. true solar time in Jerusalem. In the AD 33 date this corresponds to 12h48m GMT, and for simplicity I will use this same time in the AD 30 date. The tropical positions of the centaurs and tno's are calculated with Solex 8.5, to which is added the sidereal ayanamsa.

30 AD Sun = 17,46 Aries
==>no significant contacts (i.e., conjunction or opposition with well-known centaurs or tno's)

30 AD Moon = 27,47 Libra
30 AD Apogee = 26,26 Ari r
30 AD Neptune = 26,34 Cap
==>Ann Catherine Emmerich death Sun = 27,48 Capricorn
==>Ann Catherine Emmerich death Pylenor = 28,39 Cancer

33 AD Sun = 14,08 Aries
33 AD Moon = 13,02 Libra
==>film's release TD10 = 13,48 Aries
NOTE: here tr. TD10 is probably in conjunction with the tr. Moon
==>Varuna of Mel Gibson = 14,51 Aries
==>Pylenor of Mel Gibson = 15,06 Cancer

33 AD Jupiter = 17,15 Gem
33 AD Pluto = 17,15 Sag r
==> Mel Gibson Sun = 18,22 Sagittarius
NOTE: This is beyond the 1-degree orb. I am including it "just in case"

Which of the 2 dates do you think is more representative of the movie? (I will add my comments later).

For the record, here are the sidereal positions of some of the main centaurs and tno's for April 3, 33 AD (Crucifixion-I):

TL66 = 7,39 Libra
TD10 = 0,11 Libra
CZ118 = 1,38 Aries
CY118 = 23,55 Pisces
Pholus = 4,28 Aquarius
Varuna = 15,37 Gemini
Pylenor = 11,31 Cancer
Chiron = chaotic
Asbolus = chaotic
Quaoar = 20,04 Sagittarius
Chariklo = 26,42 Aquarius
Hylonome = 7,47 Aquarius
Nessus = 0,00 Gemini
Ixion = 29,05 Scorpio

and here are those of April 7, 30 AD (Crucifixion-II):

TL66 = 7,11 Libra
TD10 = 29,38 Virgo
CZ118 = 1,25 Aries
CY118 = 23,29 Pisces
Pholus = 29,08 Capricorn
Varuna = 12,03 Gemini
Pylenor = 2,54 Cancer
Chiron = chaotic
Asbolus = chaotic
Quaoar = 16,02 Sagittarius
Chariklo = 14,40 Aquarius
Hylonome = 1,50 Aquarius
Nessus = 22,08 Taurus
Ixion = 25,08 Scorpio



Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 03:47:32 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] the horoscope of the Crucifixion, 2

33 AD Sun = 14,08 Aries
33 AD Moon = 13,02 Libra
==>film's release TD10 (conjunct Moon)= 13,48 Aries
==>Varuna of Mel Gibson = 14,51 Aries

I find these relationships impressive, especially the equation with TD10 over the Sun/Moon axis. The conjunction with Gibson's Varuna is also impressive if we consider that he made the film in its entirety under a transit of Varuna in opposition to his Sun. These positions --I feel-- give strength to the April 3, 33 AD date (Crucifixion-I).

Another date that should be added here is 15 July 1968, the date of birth of Rosalinda Celentano (according to the IMDB), the woman who played Satan, a character who is present from the start to the end of the movie. She has the Sun in conjunction with CY118:

Sun (at 12h GMT) = 28,44 Gemini
CY118 = 27,43 Gemini

The other character who is equally present throughout the movie is Mary, played by Maia Morgenstern, born May 1 1962 (IMDB). She has CY118 in opposition to Mel Gibson's Sun:

Maia Morgenstern ("Mary") CY118 = 18,45 Gemini
Mel Gibson's Sun = 18,22 Sagittarius

Venus at the time of Crucifixion-I is in conjunction with CY118:

Crucifixion-I Venus = 24,38 Pisces
Crucifixion-I CY118 = 23,55 Pisces

The south lunar node at the time of Crucifixion-I is in conjunction with TL66:

Crucifixion-I TL66 = 7,39 Libra
Crucifixion-I Node = 7,21 Aries

This last connection gives strength to this date, and to the established
meaning (both positive and negative) of TL66.

Here are a few more interesting positions for AD 33:

CF119 = 14,32 Aquarius
BU48 = 15,50 Taurus
GQ21 = 3,08 Taurus
AW197 = 24,09 Gemini
Sedna = 3,53 Capricorn



Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:09:19 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] the horoscope of the Crucifixion

I first learned about the 2 possible dates of Crucifixion many years ago when reading Jim Bishop's "The Day Christ Died" (Harper and Row, 1977, orig. 1957). Paul L. Maier wrote in the introduction to the new edition:

"The jury is still out on several crucial aspects of the Good Friday trial, including something so basic as the exact time and place. There is as much evidence to suggest a date of April 3, A.D. 33 for Good Friday as there is for Mr. Bishop's preference of April 7, A.D. 30" (page xii).

Since then, I have seen these 2 dates mentioned every time there is an atempt to solve the problem. Regarding the Crucifixion-I date (33 AD), there was a recent article in the "Solar Eclipse Newsletter", Volume 6, Issue 4, page 15:

[begin quote]
<<Post Kepler we have the statement by Rudolf Steiner (1861-1925) through purported divine inspiration that the crucifixion occurred on April 3, 33 AD (Kalendar 1912/13 (Berlin: Philosophisch-theosophischer Verlag, 1912), entry: April 3). Steiner's 1912 statement was subsequently supported in 1934 by F. K. Fotheringham, "Evidence of Astronomy and Technical Chronology for the Date of the Crucifixion", Journal of Theological Studies 35 (1934), pp. 146-162, and in 1983 by the astronomical work with eclipses and references to the moon turning "blood red" by two Oxford scholars in 1983: Humphreys, C. J., and Waddington, W. G., 'Dating the Crucifixion', NATURE, 306, 743-46, December 22/29, 1983. If the Luke Gospel is correct that Jesus was about 30 years old at the baptism (Luke 3:23, NRSV), and if his ministry until his crucifixion was about 3 years as most think it was, then Jesus's life span was about 33 years. The 33-year lifespan is also supported by divine inspiration by Rudolf Steiner (Et Incarnatus Est, Eng. t ransl., lecture of December 23, 1917, Basel, Switzerland, Mercury Press, Spring Valley, NY, 1983, p. 10, and by Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824) The Life of Jesus Christ, 4 vols., Tan Books, Rockford, IL, 1979. Scholarship and divine inspiration both support the idea that the original author of the birth date of Jesus, Dionysus Exiguus, was closer to the mark than was Kepler, great scientist though he was...>>
[end quote]

Of course the phrase "divine inspiration", in addition to being a misrepresentation of what occult research is about (and in particular, Rudolf Steiner's research), will provoke rejection in the mind of many "scientists", but the note gives some important bibliographical references. The Fotheringham study of 1934 is an expansion of a previous publication he made in the same Journal in 1911 and previous ones in other journals.

The U.S. Naval Observatory has an article on this:

Problems in Dating the Crucifixion

which concludes with these words:

<<The most commonly proposed dates for the Crucifixion are April 7, A.D. 30, and April 3, A.D. 33 (on the Julian Calendar). Humphreys and Waddington conclude that the latter date is correct. Schaefer decides that their conclusion is reasonable. A definitive solution will require an independent record of the event on a fully documented calendar.>>

At least they conclude that there COULD be a definitive solution. On the other hand, we can test astrologically the 2 dates to see which works better. I feel that the April 3, 33 AD works better, but remain open in case someone makes a better case for the other date.


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