Message: 5
   Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:25:59 -0600
Subject: Fatima

Tomorrow is the anniversary of the Fatima apparitions, which started May 13, 1917. The apparition told Lucia (10), Jacinta (7), and Francisco (9) to come back the 13th of each month, and in the last apparition, on October 13th, the "miracle of the Sun" happened, witnessed by about 70,000 people who had gathered around the children.

In one finds the following details:

Lucia Dos Santos, born March 22, 1907
First apparition, May 13, 1917, at noon
Last apparition (Miracle of the Sun), October 13, 1917, 1:30 p.m.(The International Atlas gives "-1h" as the time zone, so it was 12:30 p.m. UT)

1- The lunar nodes seem to be important. At birth, Lucia has QM107 over the nodes, and Pylenor squaring them:

radix QM107   =  0,22 Aqu
radix Node    =  0,32 Leo r
radix Pylenor =  1,08 Sco r

2- At the last apparition when the "miracle" was witnessed, Pluto was over the nodes, and Mercury/Nessus squaring them:

6app. Node    =  4,43 Cap r
6app. Mercury =  5,02 Lib
6app. Pluto   =  5,22 Can r
6app. Nessus  =  5,55 Ari r

3- At the time the first apparition, the lunar nodes were over Lucia's natal Uranus/Neptune conjunction:

radix Neptune =  9,50 Can
radix Uranus  = 12,25 Cap
1app. Node    = 11,44 Cap r
6app. SG35    = 11,42 Cap

4- The moment of the first apparition seems to be beautifully described as an activation of Lucia's Hylonome-Chiron-Venus conjunction, with emphasis on Hylonome:

1app. Moon    = 14,24 Aqu
radix Hylonome= 15,08 Aqu
radix Chiron  = 16,15 Aqu
radix Venus   = 17,46 Aqu

5- When "the Sun danced" on October 13th, it was being "crossed" by TL66:

6app. Sun     = 19,26 Lib
6app. TL66    = 20,38 Cap
6app. Midheav = 21,51 Lib

--- It is interesting to note that, when the very apocaliptic "third secret" was revealed to Lucia on the 3rd apparition July 13th, the Sun was in 20,20 Cancer in tight opposition to TL66, in harmony with TL66's (=Typhon) meaning.

6- Finally, "the twilight aura of Alastor" seems to be present. It forms an exact T-square with Saturn and Pluto at birth:

radix Saturn  = 19,16 Pis
radix BU48    = 19,37 Sag r
radix Pluto   = 21,47 Gem

1app. QM107   = 20,19 Pis
6app. Moon    = 20,37 Vir

--- and at the time of the last apparition when the Sun danced:

6app. BU48    = 28,09 Sag
6app. Ascend  = 29,12 Sag



Message: 6
   Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:52:50 -0600
Subject: Re: Fatima

According to the source mentioned (, the third "secret" of Fatima was revealed to the children on July 13th 1917. The first 2 secrets were made public in 1941, and from January 2 to January 9, 1944, Lucia Dos Santos wrote down in paper the third secret, still unrevealed. The positions of January 9, 1944 look interesting:

Mercur= 16Cp18
Sun   = 17Cp45
Pholus= 20Cp25

compare this with the positions at the moment it was revealed:

CZ118 = 18Ca03
Sun   = 20Ca29
Mercur= 21Ca27
TL66  = 21Cp35

In both cases there is a Sun/Mercury conjunction next to slow-moving comet/asteroids, and around the same axis of the zodiac (the positions of 1944 are precessed to 1917). At the time it was put in writing, the Sun was "fulfilling" (opposition) CZ118, a more radical and extended scattered-disk object than TL66. We actually see the 2 apocaliptic objects surrounding "the secret" in 1917, while Pholus seems responsible for having put it down on paper.



Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 07:06:20 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Re: Fatima


... In view of all the speculation and fantasy surrounding this (i.e., Pholus at the time of writing in exact opposition to the Sun at the time it was revealed). Pholus can be a sign of the charlatanry but also of the cover-up by the Church, in the same way that u.f.o.'s are the subject of a cover-up by the government and the military, combined with all types of hoaxes and fantasies. But as in all intelligence matters, the hoaxes may be deliberate and who knows what is true?



Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 07:59:31 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Re: Fatima

If we consider the positions for May 13, 1981, when the Pope fell under gunfire, we find an interesting relationship that seems to give strength to the chart made for the day the third revelation was given, July7 13th, 1917:

revelation Sun = 20,31 Cancer
revelation Mercury = 21,29 Cancer
revelation TL66 = 21,35 Capricorn

assassination attempt Nessus = 19,59 Cancer
(conjunct the Sun, orb=0,32, precession 0,53)
assassination attempt Pluto = 21,16 Libra
(forming a T-square with the Sun/Mercury - TL66 axis)

and which serves also to confirm the usual action of Nessus: there was a destructive side, but there was also an immediate and very open forgiveness on the part of the Pope, as he personally went to visit his victimizer in jail, putting in evidence the enormous vulnerability of both, victim and victimizer. This vulnerability is always behind the destructive action of Nessus. The Nessus monster attacks only because it is being attacked, and is the result of prolonged fear which becomes terror.



 Message: 8
   Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 14:21:01 -0600
Subject: Re: the scattered disk - Fatima

I also believe that what was said was only a part of what Lucia wrote in 1944. The sources say it took her from January 2 to January 9 to write it down. I will be satisfied only when what she wrote is published completely, but I don't expect this to happen in the Church. I also agree with you that if it were for the Pope alone, he would have said it all.

the official explanation read by Cardinal Angelo Sodano, May 13, 2000 is in the Catholic Information Network:

also there, is the discourse given by the Pope at the beatification:

<<"Another portent appeared in heaven; behold, a great red dragon" (Rv 12: 3).
These words from the first reading of the Mass make us think of the great struggle between good and evil, showing how, when man puts God aside, he cannot achieve happiness, but ends up destroying himself.How many victims there have been throughout the last century of the second millennium! We remember the horrors of the First and Second World Wars and the other wars in so many parts of the world, the concentration and extermination camps, the gulags, ethnic cleansings and persecutions, terrorism, kidnappings, drugs, the attacks on unborn life and the family.
The message of Fátima is a call to conversion, alerting humanity to have nothing to do with the "dragon" whose "tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth" (Rv 12: 4). Man's final goal is heaven, his true home, where the heavenly Father awaits everyone with his merciful love.>>



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