Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:07:39 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] Saddam as Hitler ?
>Could someone explain to me how Saddam Hussein can be compared
1-) He invades and occupies other countries with clearly evident imperial
2-) He unilaterally breaks treaties, disregards international law, and
steps upon the will of the council of nations.
3-) He has expressed his commitment to make his nation the hegemonical
4-) He relies on the advantage of superior military strength and relentless
5-) He deliberately targets civilian installations and doesn't care how
many civilians he kills.
6-) He is in clear violation of at least 11 articles of the Geneva Convention.
7-) He mounts a propaganda based on lies, faked documents, and religious
8-) He displays a violent form of racism in the very little value he gives
to Arab lives.
9-) He has passed laws that curtail individual rights in his own country
10-) His family has documented historical connections with the Nazi regime
11-) He gained legitimacy by exploiting the fear, the messianic delusions
and the war-like tendency of his people.
12-), 13-), 14-)...
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:21:51 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] Saddam as Hitler ?
>But such a description fits certain other people as well.
I could not help but notice.
This is actually an accurate description of George W. Bush point by point.
One can easily document how all this applies to him, since he has a stronger
connection to Hitler than Hussein. I will put these points in a new portal
to my site soon. Point 12 would separate Bush from Hussein and bring him
closer to Hitler:
12-) His crimes against humanity and his military expansionism have a strong
impact on the whole world.
You will find lots and lots of data and references to the Bush-Hitler connection
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 02:17:26 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] Saddam as Hitler?
Bush has dealt with his political enemies, the Taliban and the Baathist
regime of Iraq, using weaponry of mass destruction and murder much more sophisticated
and effective than gassing, weaponry --like the cluster bombs-- considered
ethically unacceptable by the rest of the world.
Like Hitler, he displays a heavily ideological racist self-righteousness
to justify this, his so-called "war against terrorism". There are also many
indications of the government's involvement in the events of Sep 11th (see
the reference I gave in my last post).
And don't forget the destruction of sanitary infrastructure and the sanctions
initiated by his father, which according to official UNICEF reports are directly
responsible for the death of about 1 million Iraquis, half of them children.
He is indeed a very weak person, but like Hitler, we can take him as personification
of those around him that share or feed his vision. When I speak of him, I
have in mind those people. Mass slaughter (what else is war?) may not be
his (their) goal, but he has been using it as a means to an end. Of course,
in this he is no different from other murderous hypocrites such as Putin,
who has slaughtered the Chechenian population.
His enemies have to be eliminated, leaving only those that will not oppose
him and that will be happy to see an end to the destruction he perpetrates.
He attempted this in Afghanistan without success, and for which he targeted
and killed about 3500 civilians and a larger undetermined number of combatants,
650 of which are maintained in a limbo of lawlessness subject only to his
will, in defiance of the Geneva Conventions and despite the protest of the
international community. And he is now trying to do this same thing in Iraq.
Whether Hitler or Hussein were "bad" depends on who says it, since for
those who knew him closely Hitler was not a bad person, as I am sure Bush
isn't either. Maybe he was "evil", if we are going to make a distinction
of terms. Hitler loved dogs and liked to play with his generals' children.
And until the end, he kept loyalty to Eva Braun and married her in gratitude.
On the other hand, Hitler didn't have the sophisticated electronic/satellite
equipment for murder that Bush has at his disposal, and with which the leader
of the Chechen resistance was killed in 1996 as a courtesy of the CIA to
the Russians. Bush is not a bad person, he has a family, a loving wife, a
little dog that he loves... but he doesn't hesitate to order the pulverization
of a building where he suspects Hussein might be, with the openly declared
purpose of murdering him and his sons, and without any consideration for
the women and children that he has mutilated and killed in the process.
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:09:39 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] Saddam as Hitler?
There are many differences between Bush and Hitler (such as the personality
cult you mention). It would be nonsense to pretend that they are copies of
each other. Times are now different than they were in the 1930's in Germany,
but for the moment I am interested in a more global, less American perspective
from which the nazism of the Bush administration is strong and obvious.
A clear manifestation of nazism is the separation of people into different
categories of worth, putting your own above all the others. This administration
has gone to extremes in this respect. You can see an example in the refusal
to be part of the International Court in The Hague, or to simply abide
by International Law or the principles of the Geneva Conventions. You can
see it also in the treatment the U.S. has given to the civil population of
Iraq for more than 11 years, not to mention the bombing of civilians in this
war and not long ago in Afghanistan.
The level of violence and intimidation shown by this administration has
no limits, nor has limits the racist separation it makes between American
citizens and the rest of the world, especially those that are poor or "different",
which are blamed guilty of terrorism even without proof, or through faked
proofs. This is sheer nazism.
Considering that it is the U.S. Congress that is backing and financing
Bush, and that the majority of Americans are now backing "their soldiers",
I think the reality is that you are there already. The intimidation has been
working on many levels, mainly economical, coming from the powerful corporations
that rule the U.S. and control the Press.
I have never been interested in looking at the future, but also think that
astrology was not necessary to foresee what was going to happen right from
the time of the elections. Those elections were a dark moment in the history
of the U.S, and a sign of what was to come.
During the time of the elections, I had seen something that maybe I have
pointed out before. I don't remember. You can read it at: http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/posts/mundane/lincoln.html
(scroll down to the 10 Dec 2000 post)
I also "saw" imaginatively (or spiritually?) something when I was writing
my "Testing the chart of Islam" by the end of
2001 that made the usual people in this forum very angry. I said that
the "war against terrorism" was not justice but hypocrisy, and
also said that "Presidents and whole nations are now adoring The Beast.".
As I had to explain then, I didn't mean to say that the U.S. was "the Beast",
despite the many who think that way, my explanation was:
<<I don't think the US as a nation
"is" the Beast, and never wrote that, but I definitely think that George W.
Bush --for example-- is being controlled by the Beast. That's why I used the
This isn't astrological, but it is apocalyptic or "prophetic" enough. Astrologically,
I think this aspect can be related to objects like TL66 and CY118, which
I have shown are very significant in the present conflict.
Today, that image of "the Beast" has taken other forms, but it is stronger
I prefer to put Astrology aside in this. I think the future will get worse,
I think Bush and his associates are idiots who have unleashed something very
evil that is a disgrace for humanity. I think they are terrorists and murderers
worse than Hussein and Bin Laden, a thought for which, I am sure, many in
this forum will think I am the idiot and the etc. etc ..., but which fortunately
is shared and voiced by many around the world.
*** but *** judging from what I perceive is the awareness that so many
people world-wide have of this; the good that this is bringing in uniting
the world through a common consciousness to honor life and justice is something
wonderful that has never happened in human history. It always happens that
something very evil brings --given some time-- something else very good and
wonderful in response to it.
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:00:11 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Bush and Hitler
Scott Ritter, long time weapons inspector in Iraq and once
the Government's conservative darling, is now one of the strongest opponents
of President Bush's policy towards that country. He thinks that this is not
a war about oil, but a war about or between ideologies:
<<This is a war that is being pushed
by the Bush administration and Neo-conservative ideologies who populate the
senior most decision making hierarchies of the Bush administration...>>
<<this is being driven by ideology, this is being driven by, again,
a national security vision set for by the Bush administration of global domination,
of American empirical hegemony over the world, unilateral application
of power. That's what is driving this war -- oil will exploit it. That's
my personal opinion and I'm willing to be wrong on this one. On the
issue of the status of democracy I'm very concerned. Extremely concerned
of what is happening in the United States of America. I am very concerned
that the events of September 11th are some day going to be seen by historians
as doing to American democracy what the burning of the Reichstag did to German
democracy in the 1930's. That the Bush administration is exploiting the fear
and ignorance of the American people to launch a frontal assault on the constitution
of the United States of America, to assault individual civil liberties, and
this is not hypothesis, this is reality. Homeland Security, the Patriot Act,
the Enhancement to the Patriot Act, the fact that we can arrest an American
citizen and call him a non-combatant and hold him without legal representation.
That doesn't happen in the United States of America, but it is happening
right now. And it's going to get worse.>> [ ref. http://alberta.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/6635.php
The present U.S. government fascist attitude to the Arab world, violation
of international law and the Geneva Conventions, and ignoring the UN, is
an imitation of the Israeli attitude. There has always been a strong complicity
between the 2 nations, the difference now is that the U.S. is doing this
in the open instead of covertly. This complicity is shown astrologically,
for example, in the following aspect:
U.S. "War" Boyd Mercury = 18,35 Cancer (sidereal)
Israel (1948) Pluto = 18,38 Cancer
I suggest that this aspect shows the very extensive economic, military,
diplomatic, and ideological "shielding" the U.S. provides to Israel, and is
a clue to understand the religious and ideological "marriage" between Zionism
and the Bush administration, i.e., the confrontation between Judeo-Christian
fundamentalism and Islamic fundamentalism, which is so evident in the rhetorics
of the present "war against terrorism". I suggest the reason is the nature
of the Boyd chart and its strong link to G.W. Bush, that I explained before
and you can examined in my "Notes on the U.S. Boyd
chart" in my site.
The "Declaration of causes and necessity to take up arms" behind the Boyd
chart is often quoted by the right-wing extremist movements as a justification
to their right to arm themselves, and is the rhetorical model of Bush's messianic
war madness after the 9/11 attack.
Some examples of how this Mercury-Pluto aspect manifests:
The first time the U.S. used its veto power in the U.N. Security Council
was March 17, 1970, during the Nixon administration, over a resolution regarding
the situation in Southern Rhodesia (Zimbabwe). The second veto came 2 years
later, September 10, 1972, and it involved a condemnation of Israel for its
violation of the 1967 cease fire resolution. Since then there have been 90
vetos at the Security Council, 73 of which were of the U.S. Of these, 38
(a little more than half) were Security Council draft resolutions condemning
Israel or ordering it to stop its abusive actions against Palestinians.
Since 1948 The U.N. Securituy Council and the United Nations General Assembly
have been able to pass 66 resolutions involving Israel, all of which were
ignored or violated. The shield of U.S. vetos has made it impossible to take
any action against Israel for those violations. Compare this with the words
of George Bush to the U.N. General Assembly on 12 September 2002: <<Are Security Council Resolutions to be honored
and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations
serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?... We want the
resolutions of the world's most important multilateral body to be enforced.>>
The Mercury/Pluto aspect is evident also in the extensive and powerful
Israel's lobby in the U.S. This aspect probably represents Israel's American
"thinktank". One examination of G.W. Bush's and the Pentagon's cabinet
(the part dealing with foreign relations and national security) shows that
the key positions are occupied by Jews with an open and aggressive anti-Arab
and pro-Israeli background. (I have an annotated list of 34 of them that
will send to you if asked).
One aspect of the complicity between the 2 nations that is still covert
is Israel's nuclear capability. There is no doubt that Israel is one of the
world's largest nuclear powers, and has been for a long time in violation
of U.S. nuclear non-proliferation requirements. According to the USAF Counterproliferation
Center, in 1997, Israel had more than 400 (four hundred) deliverable nuclear
and thermonuclear warheads. How many does it have in 2003?
Now we may be able to understand the following:
U.S. "War" Boyd Mercury = 18,35 Cancer (sidereal)
Israel (1948) Pluto = 18,38 Cancer
Islam Varuna = 18,42 Cancer
Bin Laden's Fatwa Chariklo = 18,14 Cancer
tr. AW197 = 18,07 Cancer rx.
Mars Kimgdom of Iraq = 18,59 Cancer (the Iraqi nation
as opposed to the Baath regime)
tr. Neptune right now = 18,10 Capricorn
also transiting Hylonome, Asbolus, TL66...
The entity called "Islam" incarnates all this:
Sun of Islam: 19,52 Cancer
... but, because of the orb, "not quite", or rather, perhaps, "not yet"...
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:42:27 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] the Bushes and Hitler
I need to retake here the large-scale genocide of the Iraqi population
perpetrated by the U.S. and the U.S.-manipulated United Nations since the
1991 Gulf War. The bombing of infrastructure in 1991 together with UN sanctions
is directly responsible for the death of more than 1 million Iraqis already,
and the continuous death of at least 4500 children under the age of 5 per
You can read what I wrote before on this here:
The reason for these deaths is not Saddam Hussein, but the deliberate destruction
of the water supply treatment capability by the 1991 bombing and afterwards
by UN sanctions. This effect was very well known by the U.S. Government
from the start, according to the declassified Pentagon report entitled "Iraq
water treatment vulnerabilities", issued January 18, 1991. You can read the
full report here:
Using the date of the Pentagon report and noon GMT:
Moon nation of Iraq = 25,11 Pisces (sidereal)
North Node nation of Iraq= 25,21 Virgo
TL66 Pentagon report = 25,13 Pisces (this was 2 days after "Desert Storm")
natal TL66 of George Bush, father = 3,08 Capricorn
Sun Pentagon report = 3,17 Capricorn
Saturn Pentagon report = 3,07 Capricorn
Lunar Node Pentagon report = 3,25 Capricorn
In other words, the report is a glorification of George Bush's father TL66!
(Jun 12, 1924, 11:38:00 edt).
It says a lot about the United Nations to note that these sanctions constitute
a form of terrorism and are a direct violation of the Geneva Conventions.
It is not a surprise, either, that to deal with the humanitarian crisis as
a result of this war, the UN Security Council decided to continue SELLING
its humanitarian aid to Iraq:
TL66 United Nations = 19,20 Capricorn (from the data by Roy Mackinn)
Sun of Islam = 19,52 Cancer
Mars Iraqi nation = 18,59 Cancer
Neptune Iraqi nation = 20,27 Cancer
TL66 right now = 20,25 Aries
Already in 2001 Denis Halliday, former UN Humanitarian Coordinator,
described the situation with the words: <<There
can be no justification for the death and malnutrition for which sanctions
are responsible. We are in the process of destroying an entire society. It
is as simple and terrifying as that.>>
Denis Halliday was appointed in August, 1997, but because of clashes with
his American superiors in New York about the humanitarian aid to Iraq, resigned
in July, 1998, quitting his work as Assistant Secretary-General in September
1998, after working for the United Nations for 38 years.
<<His successor, Hans von Sponeck,
also resigned on February 13 of this year , asking, "How long should
the civilian population of Iraq be exposed to such punishment for something
they have never done?. Two days later, Jutta Burghardt, head of the
World Food Programme in Iraq, also resigned, saying privately that what was
being done to the people of Iraq was intolerable.>>
here are some examples of Denis Halliday's opinions, in an interview held
Dec 10, 1998
Jeremy Rose: Our foreign minister
[Don McKinnon] and, I believe, various US officials have claimed that the
Iraqi regime simply don't care about their own citizens, what's your response
to that in light of what, you've just told me?
Denis Halliday: That's absolute garbage, the fact is that
before Saddam Hussein got himself into trouble in Iran, and then of course
in Kuwait, they had invested massively in civilian infrastructure. Health
care clinics, rural clinics, education, 10,000 schools scattered throughout
the country, an educational and healthcare system which was the envy of all
its Arab neighbours. Iraq had a very widespread food distribution system
of its own before we got involved. This was designed for the widows and families
of Iran war. Don't forget there was something like one million men killed
during that war. So I mean there is no sign that is correct.
Now we all focus on a number of atrocities and nasty things that went on.
But the policy of the government was certainly to take care of its people
and take care of its children. It's a country that is dedicated to its kids.
Baghdad even today is full of green spaces, not as green as they used to
be maybe, and children's playgrounds with Mickey Mouse. You know it's that
sort of society. It's a very Islamic family place. And the Islamic family
is alive and well.
and he explains here why he resigned [ref. same as above]:
Jeremy Rose: What prompted your
Denis Halliday: I found myself, as the most visible UN person
in the country as head of the humanitarian programme. [Richard] Butler [executive
chair of UNSCOM] just comes in and out for a couple of days, he's gone, he's
not a presence there. Then to be identified with a United Nations that is
both maintaining a sanctions programme, and which kills and maims people
through chronic malnutrition on the one hand, and continues this programme
knowingly. Because, that has got to be one's conclusion, is that the member
states of the Security Council simply don't care.
And they know damn well what the price is and it's not justifiable. To
have that going on and at the same time be trying to run a humanitarian programme
that again was politicized by the member states and was being thwarted and
blocked by the members of the 661 committee here in New York. Those two things
are just incompatible with what I want to do.
And secondly, more importantly, incompatible with the spirit of the UN
charter, the Convention on the Rights of the Child, The Convention on Human
Rights. I mean, we the United Nations are running a programme that is in
fact killing and maiming the children, and the next generation of Iraqis.
I mean that is just a disaster. A disaster for the Iraqis and a disaster
for the UN.
Don't miss this interview! It is in: http://www.gulfweb.org/doc_show.cfm?ID=682
From another interview, I want to quote his words and make them mine to
end this post. On Dec 31, 2002, he said:
<<Sadly, we have to live with the
failure of democracy, the racism, the prejudice and demonization of foreign
leadership. We are learning to live with a failed UN that tolerates corruption
of the Security Council, genocide and war crimes in its own name. We know
about double standards and vested self-interest of permanent and other member
states on the Council. We watch the rejection of the rule of international
law. We are learning to fear the consequences of the "pre-emptive strike"
and even more recently a CIA licensed to kill... although it would seem,
in light of modern history, this was always so!>>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:44:17 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Denis Halliday
Denis Halliday was the chief UN Administrator of the "Oil for Food" program
in Iraq. His comments about the United Nations Security Council being racist
and corrupt, and responsible for the deaths in Iraq refer directly to this
program, allegedly developed to "alleviate" the effects of the sanctions.
His statements reflect how the United Nations has dealt with the Iraqi
case probably better than anybody else's.
I haven't found his date of birth. All I have seen is that he was "57"
in early 1998.
Some biographical information here:
An Irish national, Halliday graduated from Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland,
and holds an M.A. in economics, geography, and public administration. After
spending a year in Kenya as a Quaker volunteer, Halliday joined the United
Nations in 1964 as a junior professional officer serving in Teheran, Iran,
in the forerunner of the United Nations Development Program. He went on to
forge a 34-year-long career with the U.N. in development and humanitarian
assistance-related posts both in New York and overseas, primarily in Southeast
In 1994, then-U.N. Secretary-General Boutros Boutros Ghali appointed Halliday
Assistant Secretary-General for U.N. Human Resources Management worldwide.
It was from this position that he volunteered for Iraq, and in 1997 was named
by U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan as U.N. Humanitarian Coordinator in
that country. He served in the position until September, 1998, when he resigned
to protest U.N. sanctions against the country. Since his resignation from
the U.N., Halliday has been involved with the End Sanctions campaign worldwide
and is a leading advocate on peace and social justice issues. As Swarthmore's
Lang Professor of Social Change in the fall semesters of 1999 and 2000, Halliday
taught classes in the College's Peace and Conflict Studies Program.
some more here:
The North-South Cultural Communication Prize
2000... In 1999, the Prize was awarded symbolically to all of the children
of Iraq and to Denis HALLIDAY (Ireland), who resigned, on Oct 31 1998,
from his position as Coordinator of the Humanitarian Action of the UN in
Iraq, in protest against the embargo imposed on Iraq and its disastrous effects
on over 500,000 children.
The day he resigned (31 Oct 1998), using 12h GMT:
Sun = 7,52 Scorpio
Venus = 8,12 Scorpio
TL66 = 6,42 Taurus
TL66 is very telling. I already noted its positions in the chart of the
>TL66 United Nations = 19,20 Capricorn
>Sun of Islam = 19,52 Cancer
>Mars Iraqi nation = 18,59 Cancer
>Neptune Iraqi nation = 20,27 Cancer
>TL66 right now = 20,25 Aries
This position illuminates the meaning of the present transit (square its
own position in the UN chart, square the Sun of Islam). The 1945 contact
becomes a signature of the Islam/UN relationship, and helps to understand
the meaning of the transit right now and of the words used to describe the
situation: racism, corruption, genocide, "scorching", etc., all this perpetrated
in the name of the United Nations.
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:51:03 -0000
Subject: [Centaurs] Re: Denis Halliday
Personally, putting Astrology aside, I think the situation in Iraq created
by the United Nations sanctions --including the "oil for food" program which
is a ramification of these, shows not only little humanitarian concern (or
not enough) but also a lack of respect for the fundamental sovereignity of
a people or nation.
The same thing can be observed in the case
of Palestine but in the opposite direction, through the unwillingness to
act. The "world powers" at the Security Council deal with international conflicts
and try to control the world according to their own convenience. Their own
interests and agendas of power always come first.
This was seen in Bosnia, and is evident in the complete disregard of the
The fact that all these cases: Bosnia, Palestine, Iraq, Chechenia, are
Islamic nations makes it clear to me that the entity called "Islam" is very
much alive, and that there is a fundamental problem of racism in the UN Security
The permanent members of the Security Council reveal this racism everyday
in a multitude of ways.
Astrologically, the TL66/Sun contact is a sharp confirmation of this and
opens some very important doors to understand the role of Islam in today's
world, though I am aware that many will ignore it in the same way that the
rest of my work involving sidereal positions is ignored.
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:53:44 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] Re: Denis Halliday
I personally don't expect any change coming from the United Nations Security
Council or any other political organization. Halliday shows how the Security
Council doesn't care that humanitarian aid and sanctions have been politicized
and used as a weapon of subjugation and mass destruction.
My feeling about "the role of Islam", as illustrated by the TL66/Sun contact
with the United Nations is slowly taking form. It has to do with awareness,
with an elevation of the collective consciousness.
I think "Islam" has shown how unjust, anti-democratic and racist the World
Powers in the UN Security Council really are. This increased awareness has
to do with the willingness of the masses in the Western world to accept the
"other" (Islam) in a really humane, non-political, non-"Security Council"
way, a way in which one doesn't feel superior to the other or with the right
to dictate your destiny.
This "other" includes Death itself (or herself?), incarnated in Islam as
a culture of death created by the hegemonical, totalitarian will of the world
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:02:21 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] Re: Denis Halliday
I was impressed in particular by the words of the French representative
(forgot his name). I also saw a couple of interviews to Chirac himself, and
was also impressed. I think they both showed hight spiritual stature. The
words of the French foreign minister at one of the meetings I saw on TV were
beautiful, enlightened, and compassionate... a message worthy of the 21st
But those are only words and diplomacy; their actions show the opposite.
It is fallacy to say that they cannot take more decisive actions. I'm speaking
of the economic sanctions directed against the Iraqi population, the hypocrisy
of the double standard when dealing with the cases of Israel/Palestine and
Russia/Chechenia, their ultimate failure to stop the United States and England,
their failure to act in the case of Bosnia... (a long list here).
World powers like France, Russia, or Germany do not let themselves be bullied
or manipulated unless that is part of their economic and political agenda.
I am not talking of the United Nations' General Assembly, but of the Security
Council which falsely presents itself as "United Nations" in order to give
an appearance of legitimacy to their racism and political cowardice.
I have not thought of "Holy War" at all. It is through their suffering
that I feel they are teaching something invaluable to the world today.
I am not sure or have not thought enough of possible solutions. But of
what I am sure is that there is no redemption for this world if its fate
is in the hands of the diplomats and politicians at the UN Security Council..
(NOTE: I consider the American administration is
part of that Council.)
Reminds me of King Crimson's "Epitaph".
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:34:00 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Epitaph - was Denis Halliday
King Crimson's "Epitaph" (1969) has always been hair-raising for
me to hear. It is very relevant today:
wall on which the prophets wrote
Is cracking at the seams.
Upon the instruments of death
The sunlight brightly gleams.
When every man is torn apart
With nightmares and with dreams,
Will no one lay the laurel wreath
As silence drowns the screams.
Between the iron gates of fate,
The seeds of time were sown,
And watered by the deeds of those
Who know and who are known;
Knowledge is a deadly friend
When no one sets the rules.
The fate of all mankind I see
Is in the hands of fools.
Confusion will be my epitaph.
As I crawl a cracked and broken path
If we make it we can all sit back
But I fear tomorrow I'll be crying,
Yes I fear tomorrow I'll be crying.
The data of the song is given here:
The AltaVista translation reads:
<<Epitaph [ including March For No
Reason & Tomorrow And Tomorrow ] Composition Fripp, Lake, McDonald, Giles
& Sinfield - 1969 Interpreted in concert by KC I 1st recording studio
BBC - May 6, 1969 - studios Maida Vale (available in the Epitaph box) Recording
in concert Epitaph (7/09/69; 21/10/69; 14/12/69) Live At the Marquee, 1969
(6/07/69) The bases of the song come from Greg Lake. The song will be composed
by the whole during one evening of repetition.>>
Dates of birth are found here:
"Epitaph" is credited to the whole band, but it may be valid to take the
data of Robert Fripp since he is the unquestionable leader. He was born May
16, 1946, Wimbourne, England. We can take also the date of birth of Greg
Lake, the vocalist, since it is said that <<les
bases de la chanson proviennent de Greg Lake>>. He was born
November 10, 1948, Bournemouth, England.
The day when the album was released is given here as October 10, 1969:
The first date chronologically seems to be that of the studio recording
- May 6, 1969. I use noon GMT and sidereal for all the dates:
TL66 Robert Fripp = 22,10 Capricorn
TL66 Greg Lake = 22,24 Capricorn
Pluto Greg Lake = 22,31 Cancer
Sun Greg Lake = 23,59 Libra
Sun 1st recording = 21,28 Aries
CZ118 1st recording = 21,21 Cancer
CZ118 album release = 23,28 Cancer