Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:02:39 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] U.S./Iraq, Bush, and Nessus
Although Noel Tyl uses the chart for the "Kingdom of Iraq" (1921) and many astrologers prefer the chart of the "Republic of Iraq" (1958), the chart of the Baa'thist coup of 1968 is often mentioned.
The date for this chart is July 17, 1968, in Baghdad. The time was "just before dawn":
<<In a lightning and apparently bloodless coup d'etat just before dawn on 17 July, a group of Iraqi army officers - mostly youngish men of middle rank - unceremoniously ousted the regime of President `Abd al-Rahman `Arif and Premier Tahir Yahya...>> [ref.: http://www.mees.com/archive/volumes/volume11/v11n38.pdf]
The baa'th party, lead by Hussein, has been in control of the country ever since. This chart, then, seems to be the one most directly linked to the regime of Saddam Hussein.
There is one aspect that describes very well the USA/Iraq relations (the positions are all sidereal Fagan/Bradley):
USA Sun = 22,40 Gemini (Boyd "War"
NOTE: for the significance of the Boyd chart, see "Notes on the US Boyd 'War' Chart"
Also, although less exact or direct at first sight:
USA Sun = 21,42 Gemini (Sibley)
Now consider transiting Nessus...
- Nessus opposition G.W. Bush Sun (sidereal): 05 Jan 2002
This aspect is very strong and very direct technically speaking. It is, in my opinion, the main significator of the present campaign that attempts to justify or give legitimacy to the war against Iraq. In other words, we are seeing dramatically how the US responds to Nessus, how Nessus "acts" in that country, how "the US Nessus machine" works. The following comes to my mind:
1-) demonize the other
These are primitive defensive attitudes, the most negative manifestations of Nessus.
If this is the opposition, when was the conjunction? What happened then? What was starting then (conjunction) that is now coming to "maturity (opposition)?
Nessus conjunct USA "War" Sun = 13 Aug 1979, 11 Jan 1980, 01 Jun 1980
which, as you recall, is that last period of Carter and the "Iran" crisis, when "America" was being "abused" and humiliated and its "military might" and prestige reached a lowest point, when someone else was being demonized and blamed again for the situation that they themselves had caused by their abusive interventionism...
... and then the coming of Ronald Reagan and the largest peace-time military expenditure of all times, followed by the commitment to give military and mass destruction power to Saddam Hussein...
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:26:13 -0600
U.S. Government's violation of the Geneva convention in the case of Iraq during and after the Gulf War is well documented. The clearest violation is in the case of the destruction of Iraq's water supply, done with full knowledge of the consequences on the civil population.
Several official reports by the US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), have been made public in the last 2 years. These documents prove beyond doubt that the US Government, acting with malice aforethought, is responsible of large-scale genocide in Iraq.
The UN estimates that an average of 5000 children die each month in Iraq, and a total of about half-million children have died since 1991, as a direct result of US-imposed "sanctions" aimed at thwarting efforts to purify contaminated water.
NOTE: all the references on this are very easily found in
the Internet. See for example:
My aim here is to see if it is possible to find astrological indicators for this feature of US/Iraq relations. My first thought was the chart of Iraq as a nation (e.g., the "kingdom of Iraq") instead of the Baa'thist Coup of 1968, which seems to be more related to Hussein himself.
Regarding the data for this chart, this is what Noel Tyl says:
<<The Kingdom of Iraq Chart is well-timed and reliable: August 23, 1921 at 6:00 AM in Baghdad. [An Associated News Dispatch from Baghdad reported in the August 24, 1921 edition of the NYT, describes the formal recognition of the kingdom of Iraq, the assumption of the throne by Faisal on August 23, 1921 at 6:00 AM. A great gathering was witness to the event, and Sir Percy Cox read the proclamation of the kingdom and brought personal best wishes from England's King George. -Sunrise is very important to Islam, the symbolic renewal of life very day. Sunrise that day was at 5:34 AM in Baghdad. British civility prevailed for ceremonies at 6:00 AM. See research in Tyl, "Prediction in Astrology," 1991.]>>
Remember, I use the sidereal zodiac to make the comparisons
Iraq's Moon = 25,25 Pisces
The Moon is important here, because it represents the people, particularly children. In the USA Boyd chart one finds:
US Boyd "War" Chiron = 24,50 Pisces
So, apparently, we could say: the US Chiron "wounds" Iraqi nation's Moon. If we consider at least the Gulf War and its aftermath, then this description really fits. On January 17, 1991 (beginning of the bombing of Baghdad), we find:
TL66 bombing of Baghdad = 25,12 Pisces
which confirms what has been found of TL66 in many other cases.
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:59:46 -0600
>N. Tyl's Iraq's Moon = 25,25 Pisces
As a confirmation of the significance of this Moon/TL66, I find the following coincidence:
The Baa'thist Coup of 1968, which according to the source I mentioned happened "just before dawn" and which represents Saddam Hussein's regime, has the Moon in 26,59 Pisces (sidereal) if calculated for sunrise, which means that it was closer than this to the Moon of the Kigndom of Iraq...
When the Amiriya bombing shelter in Baghdad was destroyed by 2 successive "surgical bombs" as part of Mr Bush's "collateral damage", instantly incinerating more than 1000 civilians --mostly women and children--, TL66 was in 25,37 Pisces. (NOTE: as I mentioned last year when I presented this case above (22 Sep 2001), the destruction of the shelter shows the following: Sun of the bombing = 29,13 Capricorn, Nessus of Islam = 28,28 Aries).
This transit makes me want to explore in future posts the possibilities of the chart of the "Kingdom of Iraq" that Noel Tyl advices. He cites Nicolas Champion: <<this "horoscope [Kingdom of Iraq] for this date deserves to be taken as a national chart in view of the fact that an entirely new state was being recognized for the first time.", and adds that <<this chart allowed me to publish the predictions about the start (and end) of a war with the United States (the Gulf War), exact to the days, long before the fact [see Tyl, Prediction in Astrology].>> [ref.: http://www.noeltyl.com, posted September 22, 2001]
To gain some perspective on the meaning of the Moon/TL66 contact here, consider that
<<Between 16 January and 27 February some 88,000 tons of bombs were dropped on Iraq, an explosive tonnage judged equivalent to seven Hiroshima-size atomic bombs. Thus for the period of the war Iraq was subjected to the equivalent of one atomic bomb a week, a scale of destruction that has no parallels in the history of warfare.>> [ref Rumor Mill News Reading Room Forum, extracted from "The Scourging of Iraq" by Geoff Simons, Published by MacMillan, London. -- lost the url!]
and consider also that
<<According to reports verified by the UN, more than a million Iraqi civilians - over half of them children - died as a direct result of the US bombing of water and sewerage plants during the Gulf War and sanctions ever since. 4500 children per month continue to die, according to UNICEF.>> [ref.: http://www.iacenter.org/10_myths.htm]
Some examples of exact (less than 1-degree) Moon/TL66 contacts in the tropical zodiac from notes found in my website:
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:19:22 -0600
Saddam Hussein's regime, charted by the 1968 Baa'thist Coup, has the following:
Baa'thist regime Sun = 0,15
an indication apparently of totalitarianism and of Hussein's ruthless and genocidal dictatorship, specially if we consider that this is exactly square Saturn:
Baa'thist regime Saturn = 0,52 Aries
It is also very interesting the involvement of the US Moon:
US Boyd "War" Moon = 29,17 Virgo
forming a tight square (orb=0,47') with TL66 of the Iraqi nation.
TL66 is also dramatically present in the overthrow of the monarchy, if we take its position in the chart of the Republic of Iraq, mentioned in my first post (July 14th 1958, 4:00am GMT, Baghdad):
TL66 Iraqi Republic = 5,29 Aquarius
We see here a clear indication of TL66's involvement with political absolutism. Of note, too, is the position of the Sibley US Moon:
US Moon 4th of July (Sibley) Moon = 5,21 Aquarius!
in exact conjunction with TL66 of the Iraqi revolution of 1958.
Now let's check Saddam Hussein's alleged birthdate of April 28, 1937; I will use 6h GMT:
Saddam's Sun = 13,40 Aries (sidereal)
and with the US:
Saddam's Mars = 10,30 Scorpio
Finally, I note that, although the birth time of Hussein is not known for sure, most of the alternative times are pre-dawn or early morning, which puts his natal Moon around 10 or 11 Scorpio (remember, these are sidereal). If he really has the Moon near 11 Scorpio, then it is easy to understand why he is presented to the American public as the incarnation of evil, the Anti-Christ, etc., in spite of the level of callousness and the staggering facts about US terrorism against the people of Iraq.
As it often happens in synastric contacts, the role of the contacted planets is mutually reversed or projected to the other.
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:55:19 -0600
Let's examine now the time when George Bush signed the Iraq "War" resolution. The time is given by Noel Tyl as Oct 16 2002, 11:32:11 a.m. EDT.
Mars = 5,48 Virgo
Yeah! ... it's a 0,01' orb in the sidereal zodiac.
Jupiter = 19,44 Cancer
Venus is exactly conjunct TL66 at the moment of the signing:
Venus = 20,09 Libra
In the past, when examining the role of Venus in US/Islam relations, I had suggested that Venus stands for the oil assets, the cultural and religious riches, which seem to be here zapped by TL66. This happens in exact square to the Sun of Islam in 19,53 Cancer (see my compilation of what I wrote on US/Islam in my site for details on the chart of Islam).
NOTE ADDED 29 Oct 2002: I made a mistake. It was not a conjunction but an opposition (TL66=20,33 Aries). I called the conjunction "zapping"... the opposition looks more like having Venus as target, etc.
Nessus is, as already mentioned, opposing George Bush's Sun:
Nessus = 20,34 Sagittarius
and I already commented what it means to me. I must add that at the beginning of Desert Storm Nessus was in 21,03 Virgo, establishing with clarity the importance of its role.
a note aside:
Quaoar is exactly on the Ascendant (0,08') in this chart, over the south lunar node (also 0,08'). This is revealing, but is the subject of a more careful analysis. Right now, the only thing I could say is:
Quaoar must represent something that was not there before, something quite unique, as the discovery of Varuna very accurately coincided with the US presidency being decided by the US Supreme Court in defiance of the Florida Supreme Court, instead of by the people, as in any democracy. This "question of High Courts" reveals a key element of the "supreme sanction" or authority that Varuna represents, so now:
... what "question" is the affair of wanting to wage war on Iraq in total disregard for international law? Exactly the same as Hussein once invaded Kuwait? What is the meaning of this?
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:27:34 -0600
Dates: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 20:40:45 -0600 and
NOTE: Ed Kohout, from another list (who for the record rejects
the validity of the Boyd chart) has pointed out a 3rd fact that establishes
still another link between Bush and the Boyd chart:
These facts establish a strong affinity between G.W. Bush and the
U.S. Boyd chart. I already mentioned several times the warlike exact contact
between this chart, Bush, and the present Hussein regime of Iraq:
This national Bush/Mars/Nessus contact is directly linked with Bin
Here are other eloquent Mars/Nessus contacts along the same vein:
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 10:17:35 -0600
... A Baath regime had started after a coup in 1963 but lasted less than a year; it was the second coup of 1968, ever since which the Baathist party has ruled the country uninterruptedly, that put Saddam in power, even though he became president until 1979.
What is coming or has come to an end today in Iraq is not Sadam's Hussein presidency of 1979, but the era of the Baathist regime with Hussein in power that started in 1968. This historical day is celebrated as Iraq's national holiday, called "Revolution day".
The coup of July 17, 1968, was bloodless, and was perpetrated "just before dawn". The reference is given in my notes here:
Unfortunately, on checking, the pdf file is no longer available. But Saddam Hussein himself gives the time in a discourse found here:
<<It is not possible to describe the effect of the act accomplished between 3o'clock at the dawn of July 17, 1968 and...>>
Subject: Re: [act] astrologer in the White House
Saddam, in his speech, indicated that the 'revolution' was between dawn on 17 July and 3 pm on 30 July 1968. Which date do you think is more valid?I personally think the day that they celebrate, July 17. It is (was) called "Revolution Day" and it is (was) their national holiday.
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:52:05 -0600
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/11/27/sprj.irq.main/index.htmThis visit "closes" on the TL66 of the "American people" (the Sibley chart):
Sun when Bush landed = 10,08 Scorpio (sidereal)
TL66 Sibley = 11,18 Scorpio
But if one uses the Boyd chart, which has a doubled importance here (it is the US "War" chart and the Soli-lunar "twin" chart of G.W. Bush):
TL66 = 11,06 Scorpio
Pylenor = 9,15 Scorpio
midpoint = 10,10 Scorpio
So the Sun when Bush landed on his new puppet state, the Sun was exactly in their midpoint, within less than 1 degree from each other, and in exact square with the Fatwa of Bin Laden:
Sun of the Fatwa = 9,57 Aquarius
Note that the Fatwa is in exact square with the TL66/Pylenor conjunction of the U.S. This conjunction, dramatized by the Fatwa but specially by today's visit, is reiterated in the Fatwa's chart itself, but more exact:
Fatwa Pylenor = 9,33 Aries
Fatwa TL66 = 9,15 Aries
That is, both the Fatwa (Bin Laden's manifiesto) and the U.S.A. Boyd chart (U.S. open war manifiesto), have this conjunction, which has today been glorified: the Empire (TL66) and the humiliation (Pylenor), the desolating humiliation... of what?
... take a look at the position of the Moon (sidereal) at the time of the landing:
Moon Bush landing = 0,53 Capricorn
TL66 Kingdom of Iraq (the Iraqi Nation) = 0,04 Capricorn
This position of the Moon, in conjunction with the natal Pholus of G.W. Bush in 0,15 Capricorn, is consistent with both the "vulture" (or in this case, the hawks, the invading/occupation army) and the feasting, celebrating at the house of their prey.
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] Bush in iraq
... What you say about Hillary Clinton's visit to Afghanistan makes sense, but I don't see how the Bush electoral counter-maneuver (if I understand you well) changes what I wrote. The utter humiliation of the Iraqi people (TL66) is the same, as well as the political/military vultures having a banquet (Pholus), feasting on their prey (Baghdad), no matter what the tactical reasons for doing it might have been.
Unless someone thinks that Astrology deals with cause and effect instead of "signs", this visit is very symbolic or "radical", i.e., it will prove to be a significant reference point in the future; it brings to focus the TL66 both of the U.S. and of Iraq. It looks as the culmination of the Nov. 9th lunar eclipse that was a laser pointing to TL66 (Sun/Moon conjunction-opposition), TL66 of Bush in particular (square), and the Sun of his political sweetheart, Mr. Blair (conjunction).
TL66 seems to be describing the civilian bombings and deaths and the American casualties, and also the very violent "counter-insurgence" operation conducted last week by the U.S. Army against the population, breaking into their homes and violating the intimacy of their families. This no doubt only strengthens their resistance and hate.
This seems to be "the TL66 way", Bush and Blair's (and Ariel Sharon's) way, two idiots who the only peace they can conceive is the peace of cemeteries.