Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 22:06:20 -0600
Subject: Re: [ACT] Distilled from crude

for the curious, and for reference, here is the discovery data of WR106:

-the discovery was officially announced in the Minor Planet Electronic Circular 2000-X02, dated December 1, 2000,  16:45 UT.
-the discovery plate was taken November 28,  9h51m38s UT, at the Steward Observatory in Kitt Peak, Arizona Lat. N. 31,47'25", Lon. W. 111,35'58".
-the discovery position was 10,29'28" Cancer
-name of the discoverer: R. S. McMillan, using the 0.9-m Spacewatch Telescope on Kitt Peak.

After continuos tracking by him and by other observatories, its orbit was approximately calculated backwards and it was "precovered" (recovered on older pre-discovery plates) on 2000 Dec. 30 by Andre Knoefel and Reiner Stoss of the "DSS Asteroid Precovery Survey - DANEOPS, on archive plates from the 1.2-m Oschin Schmidt Telescope at Palomar Observatory. The first archive plates from 1997, 1996, and 1990, allowed a re-calculation of the orbit which permitted its identification on plates from 1955 and 1954.

As a result, the observational arc spans 46 years, and the 1954/55 plates are the oldest that have been found for a transneptunian object with the exception of Pluto.

Juan

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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:50:21 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] Varuna & non-individualism

[...]

Yes. I like the idea of non-individualism, and I think it will lead us in the right track. But it is a generalization that applies to all transneptunians. The great number and stability of the kbo's like Varuna, and the high "status" it has among them, when seen in contrast with the wild, less numerous ("scattered") sdo's, may help us see the difference.

We have basically 3 categories: the sdo's like TL66, CZ118, CF119, etc. (nemesis-like), the kbo's like Varuna, QB1, and TO66 (primordial/creation), and the Plutinos (underworld), like EB173. They each should have generic characteristics that are different from the other 2.

Unfortunately I haven't had time to participate much in the discussions lately... and haven't dealt with Varuna yet.

Juan

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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:37:19 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] Varuna & non-individualism

I forgot to mention ssomething I found the other day. It is about the poet Friedrich Gottlieb Klopstock, the author of the text used by Mahler (the "Auferstehen" chorale) in the apotheosis at the end of his "Resurrection" symphony. He was born July 2, 1724. At 12h T.U. one has:

      Sun = 10,36 Cancer
      WH24 = 10,52 Cancer (another very bright kbo)
      Varuna = 11,53 Cancer
      TF35 (Cyllarus) = 10,59 Aries

So we have a sort of "super-kbo" Sun, in square with Cyllarus. The words inmortalized by Mahler at the end of his symphony may reveal us something (from the translation in my CD)

"Oh, Grief, all-pervading,
I have escaped you!
Oh, Death, all-conquering
now are you conquered.
Oh wings that I have won
by the ardent labors of love,
I shall soar aloft
to that light which no mortal eye has perceived
I shall die so that I may live!

You will rise again, yes rise again
my heart, in a trice,
Your beating will suffice
to carry you to God!

The premiere of the symphony was in Viena on April 9, 1899. The position of the Sun then was (at 12h U.T.) 16,58 Aries (when we correct for precession from the time of Klopstock's birth). Klopstock had died on March 14, 1803, when the position of Varuna was 16,20 Libra (corrected for precession).

/Juan

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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:44:57 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] Varuna & purge, Panzram

[...]

... When I see the word "Nemesis", it is the image of the Sun's hypothetical companion star what comes to mind. I see a "cometary visit", something that comes from outside and has a deep and lasting impact, changing the established order, coming "for revenge", challenging the Sun.

The orbits of the long-range sdo's give me this feeling. TL66 is very Nemesis-like in its action. I have written also of CZ118 regarding Tuntankhamen's tomb and Frankenstein. I also commented the other day about PW regarding Gorbachev and Pink Floyd's "The Wall".

I am not thinking in the main-belt asteroid with that name. That should correspond to the maintenance of the social order aspect of the Nemesis archetype, such as getting caught for your crime, the death penalty... i.e., "paying back" for what you did... or just things that are individually manageable

The sdo's of course are more "cosmic", and unmanageable, like very big collective waves.

Juan

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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:10:41 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] Re: Varuna & non-individualism

[...]

I like to think of planets as containing both opposites, and there is always a dynamics between the opposites. For example, In Klopstock's exalted words we can see an ideal that is never realized physically, only spiritually, and one can use the exalted vision and imagine what its opposite, or its absence, would be. Then we would see the other side of the coin, the other side of the same planet.

Juan

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Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:46:57 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] some Varuna cycles

[...]

Here are some orbital cycles that may be useful or interesting for reference: (dates are for the period 1000 AD to 2020. The first quantity is the heliocentric distance in au):

Varuna in aphelion:
45.2768   21/11/1224
45.2851   14/ 2/1508
45.2901   30/ 1/1791

Varuna in perihelion:
40.6387   17/ 2/1089
40.6367    8/ 8/1366
40.6297   29/10/1649
40.6328   21/ 4/1932

Varuna "crosses" Pluto, i.e., their heliocentric distance interceptions:
41.1545   12/ 1/1058
43.9368    7/ 7/1174
42.4143    4/ 2/1311
42.5511    5/11/1428
43.8040   10/ 5/1565
41.2726   29/ 4/1682
44.8866   27/ 8/1818
40.6332    5/12/1932

Varuna in conjunction with Neptune:
25,34 Pis 23/ 3/1368
25,04 Pis 24/10/1368
  2,08 Vir  9/ 8/1766

Varuna conjunctions with Pluto:
16,29 Sag 22/ 1/1017
16,05 Sag 21/ 5/1017
15,33 Sag 25/10/1017
11,32 Ari 31/ 5/1099
11,03 Ari 12/ 9/1099
10,18 Ari 12/ 2/1100
29,44 Vir 21/ 9/1232

Varuna conjunctions with Uranus:
23,52 Pis 27/ 3/1088
23,15 Pis 25/10/1088
29,53 Leo 28/ 7/1208
21,59 Cap  8/ 1/1324
16,57 Can 29/ 6/1450
  4,00 Sag 21/11/1563
29,17 Tau 24/ 6/1690
28,46 Tau  4/12/1690
28,23 Tau 25/ 3/1691
20,12 Lib 15/12/1804
19,52 Lib 17/ 3/1805
19,13 Lib 10/ 9/1805
26,12 Pis 30/ 3/1926

Juan

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:42:40 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] SG35 and names

[...]

In general, the cometary orbits (including Pluto) have a quality that the rounder ones don't, and viceversa, even if they share the same space. Also we have the issue of size, which obviously doesn't have anything to do with "astrological strength", but we can take size qualitatively and say, for example: the fear and the trembling, the "breaking", the "lesser" in status, etc., are represented by the centaurs. Then, this can help us understand better the meaning of Saturn and the other giants that move in the same area.

Regarding the centaurs, I thing the most dramatic case of a redefinition is not Pluto but Uranus, since this "crossing" of the centaurs requires a language that in the past one would use with Uranus (rebels, dissidents, outcasts, trespassers, etc.)

[...]

On the question of redefinition, I wrote briefly about the change in the meaning of Pluto in my "Dear Pluto" ("Pluto is changing its skin"):

   http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/essays/plutoskin.html.

and also more generally, along the same lines you are mentioning here, in "The New Solar System"

   http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/essays/newsolarsystem.html.

This essay was published recently in the magazine "The Wholistic Astrologer" of Candy Hillenbrand:

   http://www.wholisticastrologer.com

The case of Uranus may be similar to what will happen with Varuna, in that the name says very little about the astrological characteristics. Uranus is indeed one of the best "classical" examples of the importance or the central role of the orbital paradigm in astrology.

Juan

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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:43:46 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Varuna and Uranus

Jonathan Dunn wrote:
<<Other translations are "sky, air, heavenly bodies, heavenly things." Ouranos , comes from a root that means "to cover, encompass." Ouranos , means "the heights above, the upper regions, the vaulted expanse of the sky." It includes the air we breathe, outer space, the limits of the universe, and the highest heaven, the dwelling place of God." - http://www.mindspring.com/~mamcgee/grace_beginning1.html>>

This looks intuitively as an apt description of Varuna, rather than of Uranus (astrologically, or by the symbolism of the orbit). It is probably also why the planet Hershell received that name originally, as I think Jonathan himself has said.

One could imagine then that Varuna could be given these attributes now, and some support for this can be seen, for example, in Klopstock's poem of which I quoted the final words.

One could say, also as Jonathan points out, that this time the "outer limit" represented by the Kuiper belt where Varuna is king is "for real", i.e., that the kbo's may actually represent the limits of the low eccentricity orbits in the solar system. In this case the primordial/primal/creation myth of Uranus, father of cyclops and titans, would be a very good fit for Varuna, and as far as I am concerned it is a more "fruitful" source of symbolism because it reflects very well the "outer limit" concept of the vault of heaven.

At least, nobody would doubt that Varuna is more "cosmic" than Uranus. So I would suggest as a working hypothesis using the myth of Uranus instead of that of "Varuna" to deal with Varuna. Paradoxically, the original vedic Varuna was ruler of the the sky anyway.

[...]

... the re-definition of some of the attributes given to Uranus and Neptune, illuminated by the contrast between the cometary and the rounder or "institutionalized" orbits.

For example, Neptune represents in its roundness a bondage or obligation to the greater community or society, the global economoic inter-dependence. Instead of "a dissolution" it is a relativization due to the exposure to the larger cultural diversity and the multitude of belief systems, etc. Of course this is over-simplified, but the point is making sense of Neptune's encircling and collective orbit. The traditional escapism, private fantasy, and "surrender" associated with Neptune can be seem then in the context of this "collective encircling" or bondage to mainly unconscious or beyond-the-individual social compulsions.

The roundness of motion of Uranus may be tougher to re-define, since Uranus represents "freedom". But the Uranian "freedom" may be seen in contrast with the "looseness" or unconditioning of Pholus, and as suggested by the discovery of its ring system, must work within the limits imposed by modern or post-industrial society. So we may relate Uranus with "the bill of rights", with technology, with the freedom the individual is given to pursue his own goals and dreams (Neptune), with modern "individualism", etc.; but this must be within the limits of what society can accept or assimilate. Otherwise you are a centaurean renegade, a violator of the social order.

This is over-simplified, but I think it is the direction in which the centaurean orbits point to a re-definition of how we interpret the outer planets.

[...]

Varuna is "beyond"..., it is entirely "plutonian" or non-human, like a "cosmic order" instead of a social order, like the impersonal laws of nature instead of the laws of society... like what is "behind" all that. Varuna is very litteraly "behind" everything.

[...]

... because of the "fragmented" nature of the Kuiper belt and its remoteness, one could think also of what is largely unconscious or beyond reach, as opposed to the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, which rather than unconscious it is "taken for granted". Maybe there is something that transcends culture or society, that is "outside" o "behind" the social order.

The "vast power", I would personally say, is more related to the Pluto-like objects or the sdo's, because of their motion, like very large B-52's flying overhead. Instead of power I would use the word "sanction" in relationship to the rounder collective orbits, as if they were a second or deeper level of the taken for granted institutions represented by the main belt of faster asteroids. These are "primordial" or "primal", like the Freudian pulsions, or the Jungian archetypes, or the "laws" of economics... i.e., something very impersonal but at the same time "rounding", looking for stability and permanence, unlike the cometoids.

Juan

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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 16:51:47 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] Varuna and Uranus

[...]

In the Galileo brought the other day, the role of Varuna is intriguing, but complex:

Chariklo=  5,00 Vir
Neptune =  5,07 Gem
Varuna  =  5,30 Sag
Sun     =  6,04 Pis
Uranus  =  7,49 Sag

As a note aside, Galileo was never tortured, and was never in prison, despite popular belief.

Perhaps another clue about Varuna is how much Galileo was one of the fathers of experimental science, and of the myth of the "objectivity" (=impersonality) of science. Certainly Varuna can stand as representative of the "religious sanction" or supreme sense of non-questionable authority of modern physical science.

I am thinking here in the impersonal "laws of nature" that the kbo's could represent, and the role these can have in modern society and individuals as symbols of authority, stability, security, etc., thus the power, but exercised in a more collective or impersonal way, like the sanction of "divine law". The field of medicine, the "Supreme Judges", etc.

Varuna was discovered during the days of the shameful theater of the last U.S. elections when the presidency was decided by a "judge" of this type! (I control myself not to say worse things about it...)

This makes me think in the dogmatisms and extreme conservatism of many occult movements, where the "revelations" from the leaders are taken as the word of God... This type of fundamentalism, taking refuge in a "sanction from above" that cannot be questioned --present also very much in the field of astrology (well, not in a forum like this!)-- may be part of Varuna and the "power" you mention.

Juan

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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:24:23 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] Varuna and Uranus

Jonathan Dunn wrote:
"The inquisition charged Galileo with "a vehement suspicion of heresy". After being shown the instruments of torture Galileo was forced to recant his work. He spent the last 9 years of his life under house arrest in his Villa near Florence, during which time he continued scientific work and received many important visitors." - http://www.physics.rutgers.edu/~croft/ANAGRAM.htm

Thanks. Yes. The exact square of Varuna with the Sun would or could fit this well. I see very clear resonances of the name's mythology of Varuna as a sort of cosmic "ruler" here, the "keeper" of cosmic order.

[...]

The "remoteness" of Varuna could also be seen as the large architectonic structures of a cathedral, or like the Vatican, or like the U.S. Supreme Court, where "The Law" is mythically put "in the heavens" as if bestowed by a higher power. I say mythically, because, like you say, in the end it is just a question of the persons who are given that power. It is a sort of symbolic power, something that is not exerted on the individual but is exerted as if "by itself", as if it were not a person speaking but the higher power.

It is an interesting angle of the power of Pluto, and it fits very well the orbit of Varuna. It also fits very well its discovery during the last US electoral decision and circus-battle between the Federal and the Florida Supreme Courts.

[...]

... I still feel, however, that we can differentiate between the Plutonian or centaurean zapping (like the rapt of Proserpine) and the --hypothetical-- Varuna's sanction or symbolical "ordering" to whom individuals are invisible...

Juan

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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:41:18 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Varuna and Pylenor

The chart of Martin Luther appears, for example, in M. Wemyss "More Notable Nativities" #3 taken from Melanchton, who was an astrologer and a close friend and collaborator of Luther. This chart is made for November 10th (old style) 1483 at 11 p.m. and is probably more authentic than the others published previously in "Notable Nativities", taken from Junctinus (#486) and from Gauricus (#488).

The Melanchton chart of Wemyss is for 11 p.m. true local time, in Eisleben (51n32/11e32):

      Ascend  = 24,57 Leo
      Pylenor = 25,54 Leo
      Sun     = 27,20 Sco
      Varuna  = 28,16 Leo

I believe this configuration of Varuna with the Ascendant and the Sun expresses well what we were discussing yesterday about Varuna, and so does the chart of H.P. Blavatsky:

      Sun = 18,29 Leo
      Hylonome = 19,50 Taurus
      Varuna = 19,59 Scorpio

recall the ideas I wrote before:
"Certainly Varuna can stand as representative of the "religious sanction" or supreme sense of non-questionable authority..."
"symbols of authority, stability, security, etc., thus the power, but exercised in a more collective or impersonal way, like the sanction of "divine law"."
"... the dogmatisms and extreme conservatism of many occult movements, where the "revelations" from the leaders are taken as the word of God... This type of fundamentalism, taking refuge in a "sanction from above" that cannot be questioned ..."

(I leave Hylonome out of the picture for the moment. I think it has to do with her emotional idealization and exploitation of the relationship she had with "the masters")

An exact Varuna/Sun conjunction is found in the chart of the composer Franz Liszt:

      Varuna = 27,21 Libra
      Sun = 27,44 Libra

Perhaps someone can venture a possible meaning in Lizst and help me here (I feel it is related to Liszt status  and influence among the other composers of his time, but more probable and particularly, his religious and contemplative tendencies, which ended up in taking the habits of a monk at the end of his life... but I am not sure. Recall Jonathan's intuition of <<integrity, serenity, "beyond it all">> and the case of Klopstock.)

About the Pylenor on the Ascendant of Luther, I think it is consistent with the Pylenor on the Ascendant of the composer Bruckner, also in Leo (although in Bruckner it aptly falls in the 12th), and is dramatized also by the chart of Paramhansa Yogananda (Moon/Pylenor/Ascendant conjunction in 25 Leo). Recall some of my keywords of Pylenor:

deprivation, humility
piety, cleanliness, immaculate
misanthrope, monasticism
Juan

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:24:35 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] Koresh, Varuna, Circe, Waco

... I don't see Varuna as "deeply felt stand against the establishment". Rather, I see Blavatsky's example --for example-- in terms of her claims of "divine authority" and the sensation of "higher or divine wisdom" being represented by the theosophical movement she initiated. The square can be representative of how acutely her own personality clashed with those pretensions, and it is probably the square, an not Varuna by itself what gives the "against" impresión.

The same with Luther and Galileo. Rather than a "stand against the establishment", I see their Varuna squaring the Sun as their deep sensitivity to the issue of divine authority, and how they became bearers or voices of that "higher authority" or "divine order", represented by the Bible and the word of God in Luther and by physical science in Galileo. The square is what produces the conflict, which translates in the 3 cases in very dogmatic personalities and ways of expressing themselves, considering themselves "impersonal representatives of something higher", and beyond criticism.

Juan

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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:15:50 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Koresh - QB1

>David Koresh (Vernon Wayne Howell) 17 Aug 1959 8:49am Houston, TX
>Moon = 12:12 Aquarius

With respect to the Moon, one finds:

      Moon  = 12Aq12
      QB1   = 12Aq39

I don't know what QB1 is, but some clues may come from the context of what we may feel about Varuna. I have very few examples of a focal QB1, and thought it would be interesting to bring this out.

Juan

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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 05:02:45 -0600
Subject: [ACT] on Pholus and Varuna -- was McVeigh Bombing

[...]

I believe that Pholus is related strongly to intelligence operations and spying. You can read my comments on this in my overview of Lawarence of Arabia's chart in "Political Predators".

Probably most centaurs and transneptunians are related to this in some way, Pluto being their model. The other day we were discussing the possible role of Varuna in conspiracies. But Pholus is (or can be) more aggressive and invasive, predatory, in line with its orbital symbolism, while Varuna is not.

Perhaps a comparison with Varuna can help. I would like to share here what I was thinking of Varuna the other day, in an exchange with Jonathan Dunn after examining Varuna/Sun conjunctions and squares in some historical characters (Blavatsky, Luther, Galileo, Liszt, Klopstock...):

"One could say that this time the "outer limit" represented by the Kuiper belt where Varuna is king is "for real", i.e., that the kbo's may actually represent the limits of the low eccentricity orbits in the solar system. In this case the primordial/primal/creation myth of Uranus, father of cyclops and titans, would be a very good fit for Varuna, and as far as I am concerned it is a more "fruitful" source of symbolism because it reflects very well the "outer limit" concept of the vault of heaven.

"At least, nobody would doubt that Varuna is more "cosmic" than Uranus. So I would suggest as a working hypothesis using the myth of Uranus instead of that of "Varuna" to deal with Varuna. Paradoxically, the original vedic Varuna was ruler of the the sky anyway.

"Certainly Varuna can stand as representative of the "religious sanction" or supreme sense of non-questionable authority of modern physical science.

"I am thinking here in the impersonal "laws of nature" that the kbo's could represent, and the role these can have in modern society and individuals as symbols of authority, stability, security, etc., thus the power, but exercised in a more collective or impersonal way, like the sanction of "divine law". The field of medicine, the "Supreme Judges", etc.

"Varuna was discovered during the days of the shameful theater of the last U.S. elections when the presidency was decided by a "judge" of this type.

"This makes me think in the dogmatisms and extreme conservatism of many occult movements, where the 'revelations' from the leaders are taken as the word of God... This type of fundamentalism, taking refuge in a 'sanction from above' that cannot be questioned --present also very much in the field of astrology may be part of Varuna and the "power" being mentioned.

"... Varuna is "beyond" that, it is entirely "plutonian" or non-human, like a "cosmic order" instead of a social order, like the impersonal laws of nature instead of the laws of society... like what is "behind" all that. Varuna is very litteraly "behind" everything.

"... Because of the "fragmented" nature of the Kuiper belt and its remoteness, one could think also of what is largely unconscious or beyond reach, as opposed to the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, which rather than unconscious it is "taken for granted". Maybe there is something that transcends culture or society, that is "outside" o "behind" the social order.

"The "vast power", I would personally say, is more related to the Pluto-like objects or the sdo's, because of their motion, like very large B-52's flying overhead. Instead of power I would use the word "sanction" in relationship to the rounder collective orbits, as if they were a second or deeper level of the taken for granted institutions represented by the main belt of faster asteroids. These are "primordial" or "primal", like the Freudian pulsions, or the Jungian archetypes, or the "laws" of economics... i.e., something very impersonal but at the same time "rounding", looking for stability and permanence, unlike the cometoids.

"The "remoteness" of Varuna could also be seen as the large architectonic structures of a cathedral, or like the Vatican, or like the U.S. Supreme Court, where "The Law" is mythically put "in the heavens" as if bestowed by a higher power. I say mythically, because, like you say, in the end it is just a question of the persons who are given that power. It is a sort of symbolic power, something that is not exerted on the individual but is exerted as if "by itself", as if it were not a person speaking but the higher power.

"It is an interesting angle of the power of Pluto, and it fits very well the orbit of Varuna. It also fits very well its discovery during the last US electoral decision and circus-battle between the Federal and the Florida Supreme Courts.

"I feel that we must differentiate between the Plutonian or centaurean [esp. Pholusian] zapping and the --hypothetical-- Varuna's sanction or symbolical "ordering" to whom individuals are invisible..."

[...]

Juan

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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 23:57:32 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] the horoscope of Islam

I haven't seen mention these days of the horoscope of Islam.  The date for this horoscope makes a lot of sense because it is made for the beginning of the Islamic Era in 622 AD, the so-called Hegira or Hijra.  This chart appeared, for example, in an article by Michael O'Reilly in American Astrology, April 1991, p.34, who says it is "attributed to Mark Lerner".  The data is July 16, 622 at sunset in Mecca (39e36/24n28), which is the traditional fiducial of the Islamic calendar; sunset occurred at UT = 16h05m38s, LMT = 18h44m.

Here are the positions of the main centaurs at that time:

      Chiron = 28 Aquarius (uncertain)
      Pholus = 0,36 Capricorn
      Nessus = 4,02 Taurus
      Asbolus = 8,47 Cancer
      Chariklo = 15,39 Cancer
      Hylonome = 12,11 Libra
      Pylenor = 21,26 Aries

and among the tno's:

      Varuna = 24,31 Cancer
      TL66 = 8,41 Virgo
      TD10 = 9,00 Virgo

Note that Varuna is exactly conjunct the Sun of Islam!!!  (Sun=25,26 Cancer).

Personally, I would never work with these tropical positions.  I would correct them for precession. At present, this requires that we add 19,12' to them before we compare them with current transits.  The precessed positions are:

      Sun = 14,38 Leo
      Moon = 16,18 Vir
      Mercury = 9,28 Vir
      Venus = 4,30 Vir
      Mars = 9,33 Lib
      Jupiter = 26,47 Pis r
      Saturn = 21,12 Leo
      Uranus = 20,30 Vir
      Neptune = 24,27 Vir
      Pluto = 11,37 Tau
      Midheav = 22,45 Can
      Ascend = 23,08 Lib
     Node = 25,28 Leo

Note that at this moment transiting TL66 is exactly squaring the Sun/Varuna of Islam, and transiting Uranus is opposition to its Saturn.  Note also that the Sun of the modern state of Israel is very close the Nessus of Islam (all are sidereal Fagan-Bradley):

      Sun of Israel = 29,39 Aries
      Nessus of Islam = 28,29 Aries
      orb = 1,10'

which is, I think, a very impressive testimony... But there is more:

      Sun of Islam = 19,52 Cancer
      Pluto of Israel = 18,38 Cancer
      orb = 1,14'

      Moon of Israel = 10,29 Cancer
      Chariklo of Islam = 10,06 Cancer
      ==> I believe this is related to "the marriage" between Arabs and Jews, to their sharing (???)  the same territory.

Juan

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Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 07:57:52 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] the horoscope of Islam

[...]

E. S. Kenedy and David Pingree in Appendix 1 of "The Astrological History of Masha'Allah", p.  127 (Harvard Univ.  Press, 1971), discuss the traditional date of birth of the Prophet's birth according to Masha'Allah, also mentioned by Al-Biruni in "Chronology of the Ancient Nations", and they date it as 7 February 572.  He died 8 June 632 (p.  105).  Normally historians just say "ca 571".

Juan

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Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:54:52 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] the horoscope of Islam - Varuna

In my "Notes on Varuna" collected from a discussion in this forum months ago, you can read the following:

<<"This makes me think in the dogmatisms and extreme conservatism of many occult movements, where the 'revelations' from the leaders are taken as the word of God... This type of fundamentalism, taking refuge in a 'sanction from above' that cannot be questioned --present also very much in the field of astrology-- may be part of Varuna and the "power" being mentioned.>>

I think this is a very good clue about the Sun/Varuna conjunction at the birth of Islam.  I have extracted some phrases from the commentaries I wrote above:

      religious sanction, the sanction from above
      supreme sense of non-questionable authority
      divine law
      the figure of a supreme judge
      dogmatism, extreme conservatism
      fundamentalism
      the cosmic order
      a cathedral, the Vatican
      symbolical ordering to whom individuals are invisible

These concepts of course apply to dogmatic physical science and to any other instituted religion, but the recent discovery of Varuna seems to illuminate an essential element of Islam today, compared to other dogmatisms and "supreme orderings" that have been fading away in the last decades.

Juan

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Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:06:42 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] Re: the horoscope of Islam - Varuna

[...]

Reading portions of the Britannica on Islam, I found the following regarding Islamic Law ("Shariah") in comparison with Western law:

<<The second major distinction between the Shariah and Western legal systems is the result of the Islamic concept of law as the expression of the divine will.  With the death of the Prophet Muhammad in 632, communication of the divine will to man ceased so that the terms of the divine revelation were henceforth fixed and inmutable... (...). Unlike secular legal systems that grow out of society and change with the changing circumstances of society, Shariah law was imposed upon society from above. In Islamic jurisprudence it is not society that moulds and fashions the law, but the law that precedes and controls society.>>

Juan

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Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:52:24 -0600
Subject: [Centaurs] Islam - Varuna - dogmatism

... I was unsure of using the word ¨dogmatism¨, but I just realized it was indeed among the keywords I gave.  I apologize for that mistake.  These words were derived from examples of Varuna conjunct Sun and Varuna square Sun, of people who lived prior to the 20th Century (Galileo, Lutero, Liszt, Klopstock, Blavatsky).  The "dogmatism" appears very clear and dramatic in the context of the Sun/Varuna square, but not in the conjunction, although it is present also there in terms of a higher or superior order.

Reading the long sections in the Britannica, the validity of those words becomes self-evident, even dramatic (including the "dogmatism" when seen in the context of the other words), as would correspond to an exact solar conjunction.  Since Islam is a very rich and complex world-religion, its history could be seen as an eternal dialog between mankind an that which Varuna represents.  Since the conjunction ties the two planets together, Islam throughout history will show the philosophical and practical efforts to set them free.  It will always be an illustration and dramatization of the nature of Varuna and its munificence and excesses, and of how one individually relates to it.

This is a fragment of what I wrote about the exact solar conjunction:

<<If a planet is in conjunction or opposition with the Sun, the act of self, the fundamental self-expression, is identified with that planet.  The Sun looses its independence and cannot any longer simply "be", which is his nature and his glory.  Being means being the planet.  The planet also looses its independence and becomes too absorbing, too central and excessive, so much that (as it approaches 0,00') the person cannot see to what extent the nature of the planet is controlling the life.  The larger the orb the greater the possibility of "seeing" and negotiating with the planet without loosing the perspective of the self.>> [http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/posts/notes/method.html]

Another way of approaching the matter of finding what Varuna represents here (in the example of Islam at least) would be to ask the question: What makes Islam different from other religions?  What are the key differences?  Unfortunately, my knowledge of Muslim religion is extremely little... I hope someone is able to give me some clues here.

Juan

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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:18:17 -0600
Subject: Re: [Centaurs] Hamas & Varuna

>http://www.palestine-info.com/hamas/
>The Islamic Resistance Movement-Hamas, issued its initiating statement on 
>December 15, 1987.

Thanks for this reference. Very interesting. Using 12h UT I get:

      EB173 = 22Vi49
      TP66 = 22Pi57
      Sun = 22Sa58
      Saturn = 23Sa31
      Varuna = 23Ge34

Both EB173 and TP66 are important plutinos. Perhaps the idea that <<because of their smaller size, plutinos probably potentiate and specialize the cracking and impregnation function of Pluto>> can give us clues about their way of acting in this grand cross here.

Knowing that Islam was born under an exact Sun/Varuna conjunction, the exact Sun/Varuna opposition mediated by Saturn found here may be the sign of a movement with deeper or more fundamental roots that the simplistic "terrorists" image or label with which Hamas is presented by the Western, non-Islamic press.

The word "resistance" may be the clue here, since the movement is an attempt to resist Varuna (the opposition), which can be seen as the harsh sense of moral superiority and "justice" claimed by the leaders of the occupying army (Israel and its ally the US). The Sun/Varuna strives for something higher, for a higher sense of spiritual authority or divine justice which is found in Islam. However, the ambiguity of the opposition results in an unsolved  moral situation that shakes the wish of Saturn to reivindicate the "right to be" of the Palestinian nation.

Consider Israel's justification for their illegal occupation and settlement of Palestinian land as given to themselves by God. This is another aspect of Varuna, which also shows how Hamas' militants see themselves as representatives or voices of a "higher authority" than this, their "divine right" to kill their enemies, those who invade their country and robe them of their most cherished values: their land and their integrity.

It is interesting to compare this with the chart of Islam:

      sidereal Mars Hamas = 19,27 Libra
      sidereal Islam Sun = 19,53 Cancer
      sidereal Islam Varuna = 18,58 Cancer

      sidereal Pluto Islam = 16,52 Aries
      sidereal Pluto Hamas = 16,57 Libra

Juan
 


 
 
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